Bernabe m15/20

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Bernabe m15/20

Post by Buster » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:53 am

I’m looking for a second hand Bernabe m15 or m20 spruce , preferably in UK but Europe ok. Have searched e bay etc and on line shops but nothing. Any info welcome.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Buster » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:16 pm

These must be good guitars cause I never see them second hand!

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Nikos_Greek » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:48 am

Hello Buster. I have an M50 (currently on sale in this forum) and an M5, both cedar tops. You are right Bernabes are hard to find second hand because they are exquisite guitars, extremely consistent in all their models and amazing tone and feel. Form the M series I would recommend, in case you have the money to go for an M10, it's the best ratio of Price/Quality you can get. Apart from that I perceive a more traditional tone in the M10s and M5s (no longer available) than in the M15 and M20s, which they seem to be overpriced as well. While shopping for my guitar a few years ago I came across some adds in Italy and Germany on Bernabes M series. Prices were reasonable.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Buster » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:05 am

Thanks for the advice.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by eno » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:07 pm

Buster wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:16 pm
These must be good guitars cause I never see them second hand!
Indeed. I will never sell mine as long as I live.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Takamine C136S 1976
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Podobin » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:48 pm

Buy and Adalid (Esteve)or a Savage Model 5 or 10 (in the USA). Built in the same facility that Bernabe commissioned them at, but without a "Bernabe" label.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Buster » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:00 pm

Podobin wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:48 pm
Buy and Adalid (Esteve)or a Savage Model 5 or 10 (in the USA). Built in the same facility that Bernabe commissioned them at, but without a "Bernabe" label.
Not so sure, I played a pupils m5 and it was far better than any Esteve I played.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Nikos_Greek » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:35 am

A guitar model may be outsourced to another factory but that does not mean that it is the same as the guitars produced in that same factory/workshop. Bernabe provides these workshops with his own woods and of course certain specifications. It is not the same thing.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Podobin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:43 pm

At the end of the day, they are both factory or workshop instruments. A premium is paid for the Bernabe name. At least in the US, the Savage 5 and 10 are the same as the former Bernabe lower models. Paying a premium for the vanity of having the Bernabe label on a lower grade instrument. Excellent market positioning on behalf of Bernabe.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Nikos_Greek » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:33 pm

@ Podobin: You are a bit confused. Have you ever seen, let alone played a Bernabe M10, a lower grade instrument in your words? I doubt. You have to judge an instrument for what it is, that is compare a Bernabe, let`s say M5 with other factory instruments of more or les the same value. It is true, there is no cheap Bernabe, but it is equally true, there is no bad Bernabe. At the end of the day you get what you pay for.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Podobin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Yes, bro, I have and know what I am speaking of. Thanks for your input!

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by zavaletas » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:41 am

FYI Bernabe had a relation with Esteve until about 5 years ago, when personal matters having nothing to do with guitars, ended their relation. He currently is building his models 15, 30, and 50 in his Madrid workshop where he employees several luthiers making guitars by hand using traditional methods. He makes the PB line of guitars in his workshop at home. The guitars being build in his Madrid workshop are of a much higher quality than those from the Esteve factory. As he explain the difference to me, we are now only building concert guitars, it takes the same amount of time to make a concert guitar as a student model. The primary differences between models is in the quality of woods being used and machines. These differences are heard in clarity and richness of tone.
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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by David Conti » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:08 am

I also think James (Zavaletas) has an M20 on his site at a good price.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Nikos_Greek » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:52 am

Mr Zavaletas do you have any insight as to whether Mr Bernabe builds the Concierto model himself? Thanks.

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Re: Bernabe m15/20

Post by Podobin » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:34 am

Zavaletas can get you a great deal on one!!

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