Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

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Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 am



Aquila gut trebles.

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Post by RHSOldboy » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:24 am

Wonderful! So peaceful and beautifully played. Thank you.

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:27 am

Thank you, old boy!

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by joachim33 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:36 pm

How does (would?) it sound without the capo?

I read you comment on the capo in your youtube on Spanish and Italian renaissance music and am honestly wondering whether you should play more at 8am. Based on what I have in front of me, I am thinking the instrument looses balance and body with the capo.

I enjoyed your playing, wish I could do it like you.

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Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:40 pm

This was also recorded at 8am :-)

I'm just experimenting. No firm decision yet.

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Post by David Norton » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:20 pm

I vote FOR use of the capo. It lightens the sound from the heavier "guitar sound", makes left hand formations easier, and provides a different key center than what will get played on an uncapo'd guitar.

ROB: one question. How do you manage to mount the cejilla without distorting the tuning? I have an 8-string cejilla and the tuning is badly impacted whenever I try to use it. It all "looks right", I don't see strings being pulled askew, but the net result is a distuned instrument. And of course the pressure from the cejilla makes subsequent adjustment of the tuning pegs a challenge.....
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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by Alain Bauer » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:23 pm

Great rendition, full of tenderness, thank you for sharing.

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:33 pm

Cheers, Alain. Appreciated.

David, I'm surprised not to have the problem you mentioned. Is yours a similar flamenco-style capo? You will notice at 2'40" I noticed the third string was flat, and managed a quick fix at a cadence. It worked, the string returned to pitch.

Is the problem you outline noticeable with Yepes or Romantic tuning, or both? The reason I ask is that the bass strings with Romantic/Baroque tuning get much thicker, which might cause problems. But perhaps it's a problem with both tunings.

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by David Norton » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:39 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:33 pm
David, I'm surprised not to have the problem you mentioned. Is yours a similar flamenco-style capo? You will notice at 2'40" I noticed the third string was flat, and managed a quick fix at a cadence. It worked, the string returned to pitch.

Is the problem you outline noticeable with Yepes or Romantic tuning, or both? The reason I ask is that the bass strings with Romantic/Baroque tuning get much thicker, which might cause problems. But perhaps it's a problem with both tunings.
Mine is an 8-string, tuned 8=D and 7=B in normal conditions. Yes I use the flamenco style cejilla/capo for this. The issue is in the main 6 strings, the octaves get pulled a couple of cents off-pitch. Quite annoying to be nice about it.
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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:40 pm

Hmm. I can't help you, sorry. That would be annoying!

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Post by Big bird » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:45 pm

Really enjoyed that one Rob, Thanks!
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Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:49 pm

Cheers, Big Bird.

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by lucy » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:27 pm

Fine performance Rob! :bravo:

It sounded lovely. :casque:

I'm actually working on this piece, at the moment, using your Mel Bay publication, Lute for Guitarists. It really does sound so much better than the Karl Scheitt edition that I used before!! :)

Just wanted to ask, if using a capo, should it always be placed on 3rd fret, when playing this kind of music, or does it depend on the key?

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:46 pm

Hi Lucy! The key is completely irrelevant, as it appeared in many manuscripts in settings for different numbers of strings and sizes of lutes, which would have been at different pitches. Use a call wherever it feels appropriate to you, or no capo at all.

Glad you like the book!

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Re: Dowland, John - Lachrimae Pavan - 10-string Guitar - Video

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:59 pm

lucy wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:27 pm
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...if using a capo, should it always be placed on 3rd fret, when playing this kind of music, or does it depend on the key?
Its about sonority rather than key. As Rob observed, the originals exist in many different keys, and given that tuning varied greatly over time and geography, the original composers and arrangers simply were not that fussed about key in the way we tend to be now.
Most 'normal' guitars - inc yours! - generally sound better with the capo on 2nd fret. This also makes it easier when you are learning a piece that goes above the 5th fret - compensating for 2 frets is normally easier than 3.
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